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Conservation group opposing Southgate Green mobile mast application

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The Southgate Green Association (SGA) is asking members of the public to object to an application to erect a 15 metre high mobile phone mast on the grass verge outside the Southgate Beaumont building in Cannon Hill.  The following text is taken from the SGA website:

 An application has been made for the installation of a telephone mast and four ancillary cabinets on the verge opposite the junction of Cannon Hill and Selborne Road, outside the Southgate Beaumont. Jan 2015

The mast will be 15 metres tall (3 metres higher than the street lights on Cannon Hill, and bulkier). The cabinets will be approx. 1.6 metres tall.

SGA will object to this proposed development on the following grounds:

  • It is an inappropriate development for a Conservation Area
  • The proposed site is outside a listed building
  • The four ancillary cabinets are bulky and would be very dominant in the streetscene
  • There will be loss of soft landscaping due to the size of the cabinets

Plans for this application can be seen online at The application number is 14/04224/FUL.

You can see a copy of the SGA’s letter of objection here. Please give us your support by sending your own comments.

Members wishing to comment can do so by emailing This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

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Posted: Yesterday 11:55 by Colin Younger #854
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This application was considered by the Conservation Advisory Group on 3 Jan, and after discussion, an objection was registered.

If this link works it should take you straight to the application:-

Posted: Yesterday 19:18 by David March #856
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I agree that this proposal is totally unacceptable for the reasons in the SEGA objections - the four cabinets are massive(1.5m high is typically eye level) and they are very bulky and prominently placed in the centre of the green space.

Importantly, the proposed mast is right on the axis of Selborne Road. You will therefore hardly miss it and all its clutter.

Emerging Writers Week at Chickenshed

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Now in its fourth year, Emerging Writers’ Week continues to grow and diversify, driven by the wealth of new writing nurtured within the Chickenshed Writers’ Group. The week will showcase an array of new work as well as two longer pieces as cornerstones to the evening: Blackton Back in Action and The Devil's Music. Along with the programme in the Studio each night there will also be Offstage fringe events taking place in and around the building before and after the evening performance: readings of new plays, extracts of work in progress, sketch shows and more.

Audiences are set to enjoy fresh and energetic new writing that wears its heart on its sleeve during this informal, entertaining and inspiring week.

The Plays:

Blackton Back in Action
In a London invaded by stock characters from 1970s detective movies, we find Officer Jackie Blackton. He’s a cop who don't play by anyone's rules, especially the rules of a madman who’s trying to destroy Jackie's beloved city. Armed with his ‘fro and a handful of clichés, and haunted by nightmares of his father's disappearance, can this bad-ass brother save the city, get the girl and keep his flares immaculate? Only time will tell... Ya dig?

(or Conscientious Objector: a person who, because of principles of religious training or political or moral belief, is opposed to all war regardless of its cause.)
What fundamental belief defines you as a person? What resistance would you offer in order to uphold it? To what lengths would you go in order to defend your country?
Set during the Great War, strong opinions and passionate natures collide as the world rips itself apart. Is there a line you wouldn’t cross?

The Devil’s Music
The blues are the roots and the other musics are the fruits.’ Willie Dixon
In 1938, legendary blues guitarist Robert Johnson was mysteriously poisoned in a Mississippi bar room. In 1964, his mentor and great bluesman, Son House, was rediscovered after a self-inflicted exile of twenty-six years in Rochester, New York. Being interviewed for the first time in his life by musicologist Dick Waterman, Son relives his time on the road with Johnson and is forced to face the demons that ended his career.

Session 66
Being evil isn’t a pretty job, but someone’s got to do it.
Behind the shrieks and screams, all the most terrifying mythical menaces want deep down is to be liked and respected. This is certainly the case for one particular group of monsters – including The Grim Reaper, the Monster in the Closet and one extremely creepy Clown – as they attempt to find self-acceptance through a visit to a place that is unspeakably frightening in its own way: Group Therapy.

Play in a Day workshop

If you have an interest in the creative process, from writing to seeing a play directed and then performed to a live audience, there’s a whole day’s Play in a Day workshop to come and get involved with on Saturday 21 February - find out more.

Dates: Wednesday 18 - Saturday 21 February
Running time: approx 2hrs 10mins including interval
Ages 14+
Offstage fringe events: Thursday - Saturday, 6.30pm (pre-show) and after the evening performance

Access Performance

Sign Interpreted: Friday 20 February at 7.30pm

Schools Workshop

Friday 20 February at 12pm - contact Box Office for more information.

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Help needed to get Community Growing Space off the ground

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Friends of Broomfield Park are looking for volunteers to help them launch their latest project - creating a Community Growing Space on an area next to Broomfield Community Orchard.

growing space exampleA typical growing spaceThe Friends recently reached agreement with Enfield Council to take over an area of the Park measuring approximately 20 by 40 metres, fenced on three sides and with an open, sunny, south-facing aspect.  It is sheltered from north winds by a laurel hedge.  An added advantage is the existence of a nearby artesian well, and the Friends hope they will be able to use it as a source of water.

broomfield park future growing spaceThe area earmarked for the Community Growing SpaceEducational and health benefits

The Community Growing Space is envisaged as a not-for-profit social enterprise intended to encourage people to grow fruit and vegetables locally.  It is hoped that people of all ages will be involved, but especially school chlldren and older people.  There are many benefits that come from growing your own food, and not just in terms of improved taste and nutritional value (the plan is to grow food to organic standards).  Growing andf tending plants has educational and health benefits (both physical and mental) and the fact that, unlike conventional allotments, it will be a community endeavour will help counter loneliness.

Funding sources

myatts fields growing spaceIvor Evans of FoBP (far right) with other Enfield Growing Leaders on a visit to Myatts Fields Growing SpaceThe Friends have already received donations amounting to £1500 towards the project, a notable donor being the North London Netball League, which holds its matches in Broomfield Park.  Further fundraising will be necessary - it is hoped that grants will be available from a number of bodies.

More help needed!

Friends of Broomfield Park have already built up teams of volunteers who help run the Community Orchard and Broomfield Conservatory.  To get the Community Growing Space off the ground (so to speak), they will need more people to get involved in:

  • designing and creating the growing space
  • fundraising
  • publicity

They are particularly keen to recruit people with experience of working on allotments and in vegetable gardens, and/or have an interest in garden design and who would like to act as facilitators.

If you are interested in getting involved, please send an email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

The Garden Enfield Network

The Broomfield Community Growing Space is a  member of  the newly established ‘Garden Enfield Network’, whose objective is to help set up community growing spaces in Enfield and to develop a programme of training in organic gardening and the production of food in
conjunction with the local community.

Download the Broomfield Community Growing Space leaflet

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Palmers Green bus garage to expand its footprint

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The owners of Palmers Green bus garage, Arriva London ("a DB Company" - ie owned by the German state railways), have applied for planning permission to demolish two buildings next to the garage (to its east) and use the land as an open-air bus park.  However, there are no plans to expand the number of buses which are housed at the garage - the maximum number will remain at 69.  This number of buses is in fact rather too many for the size of the building, meaning that manoeuvring of buses within the garage is difficult and potentially unsafe, and the new parking capacity will alleviate this problem.

One possible consequence may be that buses running on route 141 and terminating at the North Circular will in future be able to turn round in the garage at all times of day.  At present, in the evenings there is insufficient space in the garage, so 141s sometimes run empty all the way up to the centre of Palmers Green and turn round at the end of Hedge Lane (they used to turn round in front of the Town Hall, but that option is no longer available).  Which is rather frustrating when you've been kicked off the bus at the Tottenhall Road stop, only to see the vehicle that you've just got off continue to where you want to get to!  You'll still have to change bus or walk the rest of the way though, as there's little sign of TfL being interested in the proposed extension of the 141 to Winchmore Hill.

Palmers Green garage actually started life as the Rosalie Skating Rink in 1910, but by 1912 had already become a bus garage.  Its history was described in the December 2013 issue  of Palmers Green Life and there has even been a book written about it - copies can be found on eBay.

The planning application will be discussed on 27th January and can be downloaded from the Council website.

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Railway line tree clearance work to start next month

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Network Rail have written to people living adjacent to the railway line in Palmers Green and Winchmore Hill to notify them that work to create a vegetation-free strip of land on either side of the line will start on 9th February and continue until 20th March.

The work will involve clearing trees and other vegetation on both sides of the track so that there are no branches within 3.5 metres of the railway overhead power lines. This is to make a strip of between 6 and 7 metres wide for the safe passage of trains to run within.  Also to be removed are plants that "have leaves that settle on the stretches of line during autumn and cause particular problems where trains begin to brake or are pulling away from stations", plus "any trees that have been recognized as likely to be a danger to our neighbours, as well as to the travelling passengers".

The letter will undoubtedly raise concerns that Network Rail will remove far more trees and vegetation than is actually required for operational and safety reasons, causing both ecological and visual damage.  This is because of the drastic tree removal work that was carried out in the Grange Park area in 2011, which resulted in fierce protests - Network Rail were eventually pressured into planting new trees along this stretch.

Full text of the letter from  Network Rail


Dear Neighbour,

Managing Trees and other Vegetation between Winchmore Hill and Palmers Green

Because of the threat to the safety of the railway, Network Rail needs to remove trees and other vegetation near your property.

Recent incidents on this line have included trees falling on to the overhead power lines, stopping all trains from running, and trains finding difficulty in starting and stopping at stations because of leaves that drop on the track.

Growth during the summer has also hidden signals and filled areas used by staff to wait safely whilst trains pass. This letter explains some of what we will be doing, when it Mill happen and why it is necessary.

Your Member of Parliament, David Burrowes, has also had details of the work that we plan to carry out.

Between the Dates of 9th February and 20th March 2015

Between the hours of 08.00 — 16.00 (mostly Monday to Friday)

We will be clearing trees and other vegetation on both sides of the track so that there are no branches within 3.5 metres of the railway overhead power lines. This is to make a strip of between 6 and 7 metres wide for the safe passage of trains to run within.

Some plants have leaves that settle on the stretches of line during autumn and cause particular problems where trains begin to brake or are pulling away from stations, so we will also be taking these out.

This work is specific to the safety of trains but we shall also be removing any trees that have been recognized as likely to be a danger to our neighbours, as well as to the travelling passengers. These trees have been identified for us by an independent Tree Assessor.

A copy of the report has already been given to the Enfield Borough Council Tree Officer.

The Hertford line is a very important line. If there are problems on the main line, it is used as the chief route north. To ensure that the normal timetable on this line can continue safely and efficiently, we must do this work. It is due to start in February when birds will not have started nesting. Before then, an independent ecological survey will be carried out to identify any protected species that may be present.

Doing this will mean that the right measures can be taken if anything is identified.

We will also have an ecologist on site during the work in case any species are found after work has started. Although no planning application is required, we have notified Enfield Borough Council and will meet their representatives before work starts.

To do the work, we will be using both manual and mechanical equipment, including chainsaws and chipping machines. Logs and branches will be left to create a habitat for wildlife; chipped and spread evenly; or removed from site. What we do will depend on the accessibility and available space at each location.

Work will normally take place during daylight hours; but where safety and operational restrictions apply, limited night works shall be undertaken and we will make every effort to keep noise to a minimum. Our staff will be briefed on the importance we attach to working responsibly in the local community and expected to meet high standards of behaviour.

For the safety of our passengers and employees, we have no option but to take action on this line to reduce risks to the safe, reliable running of the railway.

We do understand that removing trees and other vegetation can come as something of a shock for people who have become accustomed to lines of trees or hedges near their homes or workplaces. We aim to only take out that which may be the cause of problems.

I hope this information is helpful. We apologise for any inconvenience these essential works may cause. However, if you have any additional questions or concerns, please visit or telephone our 24-Hour National Helpline on 08457 11 41 41.

Denise Thompson,
Community Relations Manager

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Posted: 24 Jan 2015 22:14 by Colin Younger #836
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Anyone concerned about the prospect of wholesale denuding of the railway embankment might like to raise this with David Burrowes, who has a track record (no pun intended) of putting pressure on Network Rail after previous heavy handed tree felling at Grange Park
Posted: 29 Jan 2015 13:33 by Kerry McKinnon #849
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It's devastating to think that 60 established trees supporting wildlife will be felled.

I have written to David, and we will continue to contact anyone that may be able to help.
We've seen the report that identifies all the trees to be felled, it's pure laziness on their part, to fell rather than manage the vegetation.

I've seen that in 2011 Network Rail were pressured to plant trees in Grange park after a brutal attack on trees on railway sidings

Any other ideas on people to contact, or procedure of challenging their decision, would be very much appreciated.

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 16:59 by Colin Younger #850
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Can you post the detailed report which you mention? I'm sure that others woulkd like to see what is being proposed.
Posted: 29 Jan 2015 19:44 by Matthew McKinnon #851
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Hello, Colin,

You can download Network Rail's plan for these works, and also a report on the Council hearing on earlier works from the attachments here, or from this link -


Thanks, Matthew. Very useful information. I've changed the title of your comment to draw attention to its content. Basil (webmaster)

Hazelwood Rec to get money for multi-use games area

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A new multi-use games area will be installed at an Palmers Green park after the council successfully bid for £45,000 from the London Marathon Charitable Trust.

The improvements to Hazelwood Recreation Ground off Hedge Lane, will significantly improve the current five a side grass football pitch and tarmac basketball area, be free to use all year round and will tackle problems with waterlogging on the football pitch in the winter.

Read more on the Enfield Council website

Help inspire young and old to learn "difficult" subjects

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EnfieldThinks is looking for volunteers to help staff and promote Enfield’s first pop-up learning shop.

EnfieldThinks is a collaborative project run by Enfield Council, Birkbeck, University of London, Christian Action Housing and the borough’s further education colleges- Barnet & Southgate, Capel Manor and the College of Haringey, Enfield & North East London.

Based in Burleigh Way, Enfield, between from 7 April and 27 June 2015, the EnfieldThinks team will deliver an exciting programme of events designed to inspire and engage.

A full event schedule will be published in early February and will involve a series of lectures, debates, seminars and workshops on topics such as animal husbandry, floristry, politics and happiness. 

If you’d like to get involved,  the EnfieldThinks team are holding an information and recruitment evening on 3 February from 6-8pm in Enfield Civic Centre. To reserve your place or request more information please This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

Enfield Council’s Cabinet Member for Economic Development, Cllr Alan Sitkin, said: “This is a brilliant project designed to encourage people to do the subjects traditionally seen as difficult by young people – science, technology, engineering and maths.

“We want to help students make informed choices and promote the options available to career changers and people re-entering the labour market.

“We also hope to promote the educational options available for retired people and inspire intellectual curiosity amongst Enfield’s residents. If you think you can help us guide young people to unforeseen heights or help older people reignite their career or spending their retirement unlocking the secrets of the universe, we’d love it if you could get in touch.”

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Dates announced for Cycle Enfield consultations

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The dates have been announced for the first public consultations about the planned Cycle Enfield/Mini Holland cycle routes.  These will be "exhibitions" running from the afternoon to mid-evening.  Members of the public will be able to call in, examine the plans, ask questions and feed back their initial views about the schemes.  Later in the year there will be a "full and extensive public consultation".

The Palmers Green/Winchmore Hill consultation will be held at the Fox from 3pm to 8pm on Wednesday 11th February.  There will also be similar events at the Dugdale Centre on 17th February, at Community House in Edmonton on 2nd March and at the Ordnance Unity Centre on 2nd April.

The complete text of the announcement can be found at the end of this report.

In addition, the Council have stated that they will upload consultation documents to the Cycle Enfield website.

Following the 8th January first meeting of the West Enfield Cycle Enfield Partnership Board, there have been complaints about the exclusion from the Board of some prominent opponents of cycle lanes along Green Lanes, notably the Green Lanes Business Association (GLBA). At the Palmers Green Ward Forum on Tuesday these opponents again voiced their concerns about the possible impact on businesses and repeated their claims that cycling was confined mostly to men and it was mainly women who visited shops.  In response councillors pointed out that, while there would probably be a reduction in parking spaces, there had never been a plan to completely ban parking in Green Lanes (see our earlier article for information about the amount of parking envisaged in the initial Mini-Holland concept drawings).

Councillors also pointed out that the two candidates standing on an anti-Cycle Holland ticket at the most recent council elections had been defeated.  However, Councillor Bambos Charalambous did undertake to seek to have GLBA Chairman Costas Georgiou invited to join the Partnership Board.

Complete text of the announcement on the Enfield Council website, dated 23 January 2015

Local residents and businesses will be able to have their first look at Enfield Council's ambitious plans to revolutionise cycling in Enfield at a series of exhibitions due to start in February.

Enfield Council was awarded £30 million to transform cycling across the borough by the Mayor of London, and these exhibitions will give residents a chance to find out more about the proposed projects in their area, ahead of a full and extensive public consultation on the project later in the year.

The first event will take place at the Fox Public House in Green Lanes, Palmers Green on Wednesday 11 February. Other events will be held at the Dugdale Centre in Enfield on Tuesday 17 February, Community House in Fore Street, Edmonton on Monday 2 March and the Ordnance Unity Centre in Hertford Road, Enfield on 2 April. For the convenience of local residents, these exhibitions will all run from 3-8pm.

Enfield Council's Cabinet Member for Environment and Community Safety, Cllr Chris Bond, said: "This is an opportunity for residents to see our exciting proposals for Cycle Enfield, ask questions about them and provide their own early views on challenges and opportunities."

"We have attracted significant investment into our borough and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for us to revolutionise cycling in our borough."

"Enfield Council is absolutely committed to improving our cycling network, transforming our borough for residents and getting more people on their bikes therefore improving air quality and their health, and Cycle Enfield will be integral to that process."

The project aims to transform cycling in Enfield by providing a network of cycle routes including protected cycle lanes on some main roads and routes through parks and quieter streets.

Town centres will be rejuvenated with improvements to paving, pedestrian facilities and street furniture as well as provision for safer and easier cycling.

Secure on-street cycle parking and cycle 'hubs' will be provided to enable cyclists to park their bikes, get their bikes fixed, buy a recycled bike and make it easier for them to travel around the borough.

The project has its own website here Facebook page here and Twitter @Cycleenfield where you can keep up with all the cycling activities Enfield already provides.

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A Practical Guide to Healthy Ageing

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Healthwatch Enfield are recommending A Practical Guide to Healthy Ageing, which has just been published jointly by NHS England and Age UK. 

According to the introduction, "the advice in this booklet will help improve the health and general fitness of people of any age, but it is written to be particularly relevant for people
who are about 70 years or older.

"People of this age, and sometimes younger, begin a ‘slowing-down’ process related to the effects of ageing on their body. This is a progressive process and the advice given here will help keep you fit and independent."

The evidence-based guide covers key areas that have been identified as the main risk factors for older people living at home, but if they are proactively managed, they can help people stay well for longer and improve their quality of life.

Topics include medicines reviews, exercise, preventing falls, general home safety, and keeping warm and staying well in winter, with tips to help older people stay both physically and mentally fit and independent, and pointers on when to seek medical support and advice.  It also signposts people to a range of additional help and advice from Age UK.

The booklet can be found on the NHS England website.

Help find a new home for some well loved old railings

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Friends of Broomfield Park are hoping to find a new home for the decorative railings that until not long ago adorned the entrances to the subterranean Ladies and Gentlemen's toilets at Palmers Green Triangle.

The planned new location is in front of the beautiful restored Conservatory in Broomfield Park, replacing the functional, but not exactly pretty, chainlink fence that currently protects the vulnerable building from vandals.  A suitable design has been devised, but more money is required.   A source of money has been identified  - the Enfield Residents' Priority Fund.  The chances of obtaining money from the Fund will be greatly increased if they can persuade Enfield Council that their proposal is supported by the community at large.  Which is where you come in...

The Friends are asking everyone who live in Enfield borough and who support the idea of reusing the railings in this way to drop them an email.  All that's needed is one sentence saying that you support the idea, plus your name and address.  [Comment:  The deadline for contacting FoBP to express support has now passed.  Thanks to everyone who emailed Chris Brook - she received 71 messages.]

The Triangle Toilet Railings project

broomfield conservatory railings

The railings in their new role - an artist's impression

The cast iron railings - described by one expert as "historically important" - were installed around the entrances to the underground toilets on the Triangle island some time in the 1920s, and stayed there long after the toilets were closed, until 2013, when the stairs leading down to the toilets were filled in.

To begin with their fate was something of a mystery, but they were eventually tracked down by conservationists at a council yard in Hertfordshire.  The Friends were able to persuade the Council to move the railings back to Broomfield Park, where they are now kept in a closed storage area.

The plan developed by the Friends is to refurbish the railings - which are suffering not just from the rigours of age, but also because of the crude method used to remove them from the Triangle - then mount them on foundations, a low brick wall and two brick columns - the brick will match that used in the Conservatory itself.

The railings will need to be adapted at the smithy located not far from the Triangle.  The pointed tops will need to be made blunter for safety reasons.  The gates from the Ladies' and Gents' toilets would be rehung to form a double entrance way.

The total cost would be in the region of £9000.  The Friends have secured a grant of £5000 from the Enfield Society and can add to that another thousand pounds, made up of money raised though the Conservatory Group's fundraising efforts plus a large donation from a generous benefactor.

The remaining £3000 will hopefully come from the Residents' Priority Fund.  So please add your voice to those of others who would like to see the return of these once familiar friends.

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Posted: 27 Jan 2015 18:44 by PGC Webmaster #844
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FoBP thank everyone who is supporting this project. They collected 124 names on a paper petition plus 71 messages of support via email. No need for any further messages.

The Enfield Bus Review - will it ever be implemented?

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A list of proposed bus service changes, several of which would affect Palmers Green, was presented to Transport for London a year ago, but to date there has been no indication that any of the proposals will be implemented.  A public meeting on 22nd January may shed some light on the situation.

The Enfield Bus Review

In early 2012 Enfield Council initiated a review of bus services within the borough which eventually resulted in a report outlining a comprehensive package of route changes designed to meet a series of objectives (eg easier access to hospitals) without requiring any increase in operating costs.  However, more than a year after the publication of these recommendations, it is unclear whether Transport for London (TfL) has looked seriously at the proposals and what the likelihood is that any of them will be implemented.

The Enfield Bus Review was the outcome of collaboration between the Council's Public Transport  Consultative Group (PTCG) and a voluntary body, the Enfield Transport Users Group (ETUG).  Several public meetings were held.  The core team carrying out the work (the "Three Busketeers") included a mathematician and a bus expert.  Their completed report was forwarded to TfL, who, it appears, have been very tardy in responding.  At a meeting held in December 2014 to discuss improved services to and from the North Middlesex Hospital there was reportedly no indication that TfL had given the Review's recommendations any serious consideration.

ETUG are hoping that at the special meeting that they have arranged on 22nd December TfL will be more forthcoming.

The Review parameters

The objectives of the Bus Review were:

  • improved access to hospitals
  • services that would reflect Enfield Council's plans for regenerating certain areas (eg Meridian Water)
  • better services for secondary schools
  • improving servioes to certain identified areas with particularly poor accessibility
  • taking account of planned level crossing closures
  • improving access to retail parks and industrial estates
  • improving interchanges with rail and tube stations.

These objectives were to be met without any increase in the total number of buses required.

Proposed changes affecting Palmers Green and nearby areas

  • Route 329 to continue as far as Chase Farm Hospital (along the W8 route).  However, its frequency would be reduced.  However, between Palmers Green and Winchmore Hill this would offset by changes to the 141
  • Route 141 to continue past the North Circular and through Palmers Green as far as Station Road, Winchmore Hill
  • Route 125 to continue southwards in Winchmore Hill as far as Sainsburys
  • Route W6 to use double-deck buses and to run past Edmonton Green as far as Picketts Lock (Lea Valley Leisure Centre)
  • Route W4 to be extended eastwards at its northern end via Silver Street to the North Middlesex Hospital
  • Route 298 would not run south of Southgate Station (Southgate-Arnos Grove-Turnpike Lane section deleted)
  • Route 299 would not run north of Southgate Station (Southgate-Oakwood-Cockfosters section deleted)
  • Route 399 would be extended southwards to Southgate Station. It would replace the 299's Southgate-Oakwood-Cockfosters section then continue to Hadley Wood.
  • Route W9 would be discontinued.  Between Southgate Station and Winchmore Hill Green it would be replaced by a much extended W10.  The Highlands Village-Chase Farm section would be replaced by a much extended 377.
  • Route 377 would run Barnet Hospital-Oakwood-Grange Park-Enfield Town-Chase Farm Hospital.
  • Route 232 would use double-deck buses
  • Route W10 (currently an infrequent service between Enfield Town and Crews Hill) would be transformed into a regular service running Arnos Grove-Southgate-Fox Lane-Hoppers Road-Winchmore Hill Green-Winchmore Hill Broadway-Enfield Town-Baker Street-Forty Hall-Capel Manor-Crews Hill (serving both the garden centres and the housing estate).


Link to more complete information on WhatDoTheyKnow website

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20mph speed limits becoming more widespread in London

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The campaigning group 20's Plenty for Us has published a document describing the status of various 20mph schemes throughout Greater London and the policy decisions (mainly from the Mayor of London's office) that have been leading to their becoming increasingly widespread throughout the capital.

A factor affecting policy was the rise in pedestrian and bicycle rider fatalities and serious injuries which was noted in 2011, reversing a prolonged reduction.  Reacting to this, the GLA Transport Committee has called for a Vision Zero approach to road casualties.

20mph in London boroughs

As well as the gradual adoption of borough-wide schemes (see the map), notable changes have included the spread of 20mph limits to parts of the strategic "red route" network and the introduction of 20mph limits on the revised road network between Tottenham High Road and Tottenham Hale.

Download the report:  20mph Speed Limits in London: Update December 2014

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Make growing food a community activity

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Some information about an exciting funding opportunity to get people all over Enfield involved in growing their own food.

A £500 grant is open to all community, voluntary, resident and faith organisations to support any activity that gets groups in the community together around food growing, for example:

  • Setting up a community garden or grow boxes
  • Running sessions in existing gardens
  • An intergenerational or intercultural project
  • Cookery sessions for your produce
  • Training sessions for young people
  • Getting vulnerable members of the community involved in food growing
  • Buying tools or other equipment
  • A growing project on a housing estate (communal growing, window boxes etc.)

We can guide you to information about growing, link you to other groups and possibly help you find space, so don’t feel restricted. We can also give you tips on what you can get for free or cheap.

Be creative!

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Notes from the "Mini-Holland" meeting

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Earlier this month Andy Barker, in his role as Chairman of Fox Lane and District Residents' Association (FLDRA), attended the one of the Partnership Board meetings that are being held as part of the consultation about the Cycle Enfield ("Mini-Holland") scheme.  This meeting relates to the section of route between Green Dragon Lane in the north and Broomfield Lane in the south.

cycle enfield back street routeThe yellow lines show an alternative to creating cycle lanes along Green Lanes. If this option is chosen, TfL will not provide any money for improving the public realm in Palmers Green (Clicik on the picture to enlarge)The first Cycle Enfield – West Partnership Board Meeting was held on the 8th of January at the Civic Centre.

This was quite a large meeting with councillors, council officers, town centre managers, consultants and representatives of various associations.

The Chair (Bambos Charalambos) confirmed that there would be more public consultation over the next 12 months as plans are developed.

The whole process involves public meetings, further Partnership Board meetings to refine proposals, scheme-specific public consultations including house-to-house leafleting - all prior to a final recommendation which will then go to Council for approval and then to Transport for London (TfL) for final approval and implementation.

Bob Griffiths (‎Enfield Assistant Director – Planning & Environmental Protection) advised that so far there are no plans only indicative ideas, and that the purpose of the meeting was as a starting point to glean ideas and for representatives to advise others about the schemes.

Presentation given by Liam Mulrooney (Enfield Traffic & Transportation Services):

  • Gave an outline of the parameters for this section of the proposed Green Lanes changes.
  • Talked about the work already done on Green Routes Network, pointing out that they will provide a major contribution to the Borough’s cycling network.
  • Described the background support for Cycle Enfield: training, repair of bikes, etc.
  • The main cycle routes will be along the A105, A110, A1010.  An aim on these routes is to invigorate high streets. He emphasised that TfL is happy for Mini-Holland money to be used for improving public realm on these routes, but TfL is not willing to provide public realm money if cycle routes comprised of residential streets by-passing the ‘A’ roads are chosen.
  • All projects planned to be completed by 2017.
  • It is proposed that the cycle lanes on the chosen through routes should be ‘defended’ by what are known as armadillos, but that TfL have relented somewhat and that Shared Space would/could  be considered for Palmers Green.
  • The council considers Quieter Neighbourhoods as the branch lines to the cycle networks

Ringwood Jacobs (Consultants) – Have been collecting data from the route, including up-to 100 metres on side streets, such as:

  • measurements & traffic counts,
  • some local business questionnaires.

Unfortunately the data was not yet available for discussion/advice at the meeting.

There followed a Question & Answer session on various topics. One of the issues noted was that there were no plans to remove the Triangle, unless there were major recommendations for such action following public consultation – it was recognised that this would be unlikely.

It was also noted that the previous work carried out in discussing potential Palmers Green Regeneration with local representatives was now subsumed within the proposals that would arise from this exercise.

It was confirmed that the Quieter Neighbourhoods process would continue as planned although there could be some overlaps.

The meeting was invited to examine the large plans available and provide initial comments.

There will be another meeting of the Partnership Board before Easter 2015.

There will be a wider consultation in February 2015 which will be an afternoon and evening event.

Further notes about the meeting

The meeting was also attended by David Hughes, whose notes of the meeting were similar to Andy Barker's. David's notes quoted a couple of Q&As;

Q. About the problems bus stops pose for cycle lanes?

A. There are various possible solutions, but this stage is not the time to dwell on them.

Q. What form will consultations take?

A. On a choice of options.

Q. Who were selected as membership of Partnership Boards?

A. Mainly local people who can play a part as critical friends, but with some others such as members of the London Cycling Campaign (LCC) (as distinct from members of Enfield Cycling Campaign [a branch of LCC] who were there in numbers) and Living Streets.

David also described the breakout session, where groups of attendees were invited to examine large plans of the proposed route fixed to the wall and attach post-its with comments and ideas about specific points along the route.

View the slides shown at the meeting

Q. About  the problems bus stops pose for cycle lanes?

A. There are various possible solutions, but this stage is not the time to dwell on them.

Q. What form will consultations take?

A. On a choice of options.

Q. Who were selected as membership of Partnership Boards?

A. Mainly local people who can play a part as critical friends, but with some others such as members of LCC (as distinct from members of ECC [a branch of LCC] who were there in numbers) and Living Streets.

New rail franchise performing even worse than Capital Connect

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“I never thought I would hear a passenger say to me bring back First Capital Connect."  A quote from Anthony Smith, Chief Executive of the transport watchdog Passenger Focus, emphasizing how poor has been the performance of the Govia consortium since it took over the Great Northern and Thameslink routes last September.

Govia's bad start - three to four per cent of services failed to run in the first twelve weeks of the new franchise - proved to be only a prelude to its appalling performance in the four weeks running up to 3rd January, when six per cent of Great Northern services were cancelled.  For Thameslink passengers things were even worse - nine per cent of trains did not run.

The key factor behind these figures is shortage of drivers.  The full establishment required for Thameslink and Great Northern is 666, but at the transfer date First Capital Connect only had 611 drivers.  Services have for some time depended on overtime and rest day working, but drivers are unwilling to work overtime during school holidays - which will come as no surprise to passengers using Palmers Green station.

A driver recruitment programme has been launched, but because training takes a year its effects will not be felt for some time.

As well as criticising First Capital Connect and Govia for failure, passenger groups have laid some of the blame at the door of the Department for Transport.  They say that when the DfT extended the FCC franchise, it should have insisted that First instigate a driver recruitment programme.

A public meeting to discuss poor performance on the Great Northern is being held on 23rd January (7.30pm at St Mary Magdalene Church, Windmill Hill, Enfield Town).

For more reporting, see the Passenger Transport and London Travelwatch websites.

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New shops coming to PG

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Two unsuccessful betting shops in Palmers Green are shortly to reopen as rather more benign enterprises - one as a bakery, the other as an opticians.

le grand jourThe bakery will have a French name - Le Grand Jour (meaning "broad daylight") - and is described as a Boulangerie-Patisserie, suggesting gethat we can look forward to French-style home baked bread, pastries and cakes.  Le Grand Jour will be on the corner of Green Lanes and Devonshire Road.

The other former betting shop is located at the Triangle.  Tipico, downstairs from the banqueting suite, will become a Boots opticians and hearing aids shop.

Unfortunately, that still leaves Palmers Green with rather too many betting shops - the big players, such as Ladbrokes and Paddy Power, show no sign of closing.

And at long last work has begun on converting the former 1001 Turkish supermarket and adjacent Palmers Green News shop into a Sainsbury's Local store - see our earlier report.

The final piece of shopping news is rather sad:  the owner of Westlakes is retiring and the shop will be taken over by Amy's Hardware.

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Were you caught up in the 27th December rail chaos?

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Caught up in train disruption to/from London Paddington or to/from London King's Cross on Saturday 27 December?

The rail industry must establish what went wrong and take steps to stop it happening again – that is a given. Passenger Focus, the independent watchdog, wants to know how well things were handled from a passenger perspective – in terms of information, of the alternative arrangements, of how you were looked after.

Passenger Focus will use this feedback to provide a report to the Office of Rail Regulation for its investigation into what when wrong.

If you were affected, please complete a short online feedback form.

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Business Association lists its concerns about cycling proposals

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The Green Lanes Business Association (GLBA), which works on behalf of businesses in Palmers Green (mainly shops), has released the text of a letter which it sent to the Mayor of London's Cycling Commissioner in December.

glba letter startThe beginning of Mr Georgiou's letter to the Cycling Commissioner (click on the image to view the complete original letter)The letter from GLBA Chairman Costas Georgiou was sent to the Cycling Commissioner, Andrew Gilligan, and copied to a number of local and national politicians, plus people running local businesses and community groups.

Mr Georgiou has summarized the letter as follows:

Green Lanes Business Association is in favour of promoting sustainable and healthy travel, including cycling, but schemes must balance various interests, including those of the local economy and overall taxpayer value for money.


    • Broaden representation on the cycling partnership boards, to include organisations such as local schools, Green Lanes Business Association and the Ruth Winston Centre for older people.
    • Provide information such as large-scale maps of proposed cycle routes in accessible locations and at convenient times, and publish all the assumptions and methodologies underlying business cases, shopping surveys and designs.
    • Consider practical alternative cycle routes, including parallel roads close to Green Lanes.
    • Conduct a low cost simulation of scheme designs, such as lane closures and parking suspension along the proposed route, for at least 2 consecutive weeks. This will demonstrate the positive or negative impacts on businesses and residents.
    • Extend opening times and improve the signage for Lodge Drive car park. Trial free 20minute parking in Palmers Green (as with other town centres).

The full text of the letter is set out below, or you can view a PDF file of the original.

22 December 2014

Dear Andrew

Mini-Holland (Cycle Enfield) scheme from Palmers Green to Enfield Town


1.    Thank you for your visit to Palmers Green on 1st December 2014 and for taking the time to listen to local business owners, residents and community organisations. Green Lanes Business Association (GLBA) represents the interests of businesses (mostly shopkeepers) on Green Lanes, with a particular focus on Palmers Green.

2.    We also thank Enfield Council’s Liam Mulrooney for accompanying you on your visit.

3.    Since the group on our walk around Palmers Green was necessarily small, I am writing this letter in the interests of transparency and as an aide-memoire in your further discussions with Enfield Council.

4.    We are in favour of promoting sustainable and healthy travel, including cycling, but schemes must balance various interests, including those of the local economy and overall taxpayer value for money. We highlight a number of concerns and recommendations and invite your response to these.


5.    The proposed governance arrangements (diagram attached) do not include adequate representation from business groups or vulnerable users. Enfield Council considers that Enfield Business and Retailers Association (EBRA) is sufficient. EBRA is wholly funded by Enfield Council, despite not having a signed current funding agreement, and cannot therefore claim to be independent.

6.    Recommendation 1: Business groups from individual town centres should be
represented on the partnership board covering their local area (Enfield North, Enfield West, Enfield South East).

7.    We recognise that Enfield Disability Action has a place on each partnership board but there are specific user groups in each area, which would benefit from having direct representation. For example, you met with representatives of the Ruth Winston Centre, who receive hundreds of older users each week. With an ageing population we must recognise, applaud and assist the efforts of such centres. A significant proportion of the Centre's users arrive by car or by Dial-a-Ride. Their access requirements are not trivial and the Council would be failing in its equality duty by not making suitable provision for them. As you saw for yourself, the stretch of Green Lanes at the Centre's location is not wide and it is near a tricky junction.

8.    Recommendation 2: Vulnerable user groups should be represented on the partnership board covering their local areas. As well as older users, these should include schools.

9.    Although Enfield Council has invited some local residents’ associations to partnership boards, it has not invited the umbrella body of all residents’ associations in Enfield, the Federation of Enfield Residents and Allied Associations (FERAA).

10.    Recommendation 3: FERAA should be represented on the partnership boards and the strategic consultative group.


11.    You recognised that Enfield Council has not adequately communicated with the public.  We still do not know what the overall timetable of each stage is, let alone the timings of surveys. The Mini-Holland bid documents contained initial proposals, such as removal of Palmers Green Triangle and also removal of much of the parking. During your visit, Liam revealed that the Triangle would in fact be retained and that its removal from concept drawings had been an oversight. A similar error had also been made in other layout drawings, where a roundabout in Winchmore Hill and a bus stop in Palmers Green were omitted.

12.    The general lack of proactive communication has led to deep mistrust. This has been further compounded this past week or so by the appearance of CCTV survey cameras, interviewers who did not properly introduce themselves and people carrying out parking surveys. That this work is happening without any prior warning, so soon after raising our concerns with you and Liam, is completely unacceptable.

13.    Road shows are also inadequate. One took place on 18 December between 2pm and 4pm. Further road shows appear to be planned at similar times. You will appreciate that this is not a convenient time for many businesses, or indeed parents collecting young children from school. Business associations such as ours exist not just to raise collective concerns but also to discuss matters with public authorities and to relay information to our members. It would have been sensible for Enfield to engage with us.

14.    Recommendation 4: Enfield Council should plan information events that are at different times of day (including evenings and weekends) and in locations that are convenient for local people. In each town centre there should be a permanent display of Mini-Holland information, in an accessible location. Local groups, such as ours, would be happy to help with the displays.


15.    You may be aware that Enfield Council was taken to judicial review regarding two private rented property licensing schemes, which the Council were planning to introduce from 1 April 2015. This month the High Court quashed Enfield's scheme, which the judge described as “a continuing unlawful act”.1 The judge highlighted the lack of consultation by the Council of persons likely to be affected by the proposals (including in surrounding areas), as well as finding that the Council did not fully comply with the four "Sedley criteria". The UK Supreme Court recently endorsed a Court of Appeal judgment which described the criteria as “a prescription for fairness”:

i.    Consultation must be at a time when proposals are still at a formative stage;

ii.    The proposer must give sufficient reasons for any proposal to permit intelligent consideration and response;

iii.    Adequate time must be given for consideration and response; and

iv.    The product of consultation must be conscientiously taken into account in finalising any statutory proposals.

16.    A repeat of such a disastrous mistake would be highly regrettable and a waste of taxpayer funds. We are particularly alarmed by minuted comments already made by Cllr Doug Taylor (Leader of the Council) and Cllr Ayfer Orhan (Cabinet Member for Education, Children’s Services and Protection)2:

“Councillor Taylor, supported by Councillor Orhan, highlighted the flexibility already built into the governance structure to enable the inclusion of other key stakeholders as and when they were identified. Whilst keen to consult and engage with stakeholders it was important to note that no final guarantee could be provided as to how any views expressed would be reflected within final scheme proposals.”

Cllr Taylor’s view appears to be a prima facie violation of the fourth Sedley criterion.

17.    Recommendation 5: Enfield Council should consult on Mini-Holland and any other proposals fully in accordance with the letter and spirit of the Sedley criteria. Furthermore, the Council should consult in surrounding areas.

Design options

18.    During your visit, Liam highlighted three main options being considered for the Palmers Green Library to Enfield Town route:

i.    A lightly segregated route along the A105 Green Lanes, all the way from Palmers Green to Enfield Town;

ii.    A lightly segregated route with some “shared space” elements, e.g. at the Triangle; and

iii.    A parallel route.

19.    The current “all or nothing” approach seems odd. The cycle route is not a pipe which cyclists would enter at one end and exit at the other. It is part of a network of not just other (informal) cycle routes but also of the wider transport network, including vehicular roads and railways. It is not at all clear why these options should be mutually exclusive. With some thought it should be possible to use a combination of the approaches, where appropriate.

20.    The route proposed in the bid document, a lightly segregated route from Palmers Green Library to Enfield Town, is a road to nowhere. Its abrupt ending at the library means that it does not even cross the rather more hazardous A406 North Circular Road, with its many lanes, heavy vehicles and existing cycle paths.

21.    We would support a parallel route with as little deviation from the A105 Green Lanes as possible. One of our group demonstrated how currently inaccessible parcels of land could, for example, be connected to provide a much safer parallel route very close to Green Lanes. We believe that a parallel route will be safer and healthier. Routes away from main roads generally have lower levels of air pollution3. By keeping the route away from Green Lanes, traffic congestion is likely to be reduced, with additional benefits in terms of air quality and journey times for all road users, including cyclists.

22.    Recommendation 6: The scheme designers should consider using a combination of approaches, including parallel routes. If they do not have local knowledge, they should engage with individuals who do, so that more imaginative, and arguably safer and less disruptive, designs can be drawn up.

23.    We are particularly concerned that only public spaces (such as the Triangle) falling exactly on the route would be eligible for funding from the Mini-Holland budget for improvement. We consider that elements such as the Triangle could be used as feeder routes to signpost a parallel route. Similarly, local primary schools (Hazelwood, Highfield, St. Paul’s C of E, Grange Park Preparatory) and secondary schools (Broomfield School, St. Anne’s Catholic High School for Girls – both sites, Palmers Green High School, Winchmore School, Edmonton County Lower School, Enfield Grammar, Chace Community School) could also be considered as feeder routes. There are also a number of nursery schools along and around Green Lanes.

24.    Recommendation 7: The public realm on feeder routes around the scheme should be improved, with clear signposting to the cycle routes.

25.    You mentioned the Waltham Forest trial in October this year, and that it had mixed reviews. This is a low cost method of simulating potential routes, before further design work, or indeed, more expensive construction. In the interests of taxpayer value for money, we would support a trial suspension of parking bays along the route, together with the temporary segregation of a cycle lane. We invite Transport for London to take part in the trials, and in particular to assist in journey time measurement for bus routes. It would be far more sensible to conduct a trial sooner, rather than later, and certainly before any compensation claims are made if businesses are adversely affected following the implementation of any scheme.

26.    Recommendation 8: Enfield Council should undertake a trial suspension of parking in Palmers Green, together with a trial segregation for cycle lanes, for a minimum period of 2 weeks. Before and after measurements should be taken of journey times (including for buses), response times for emergency vehicles, average vehicle speeds, shopping footfall and air quality.

27.    Liam confirmed that Enfield Council’s “Quieter Neighbourhoods” plans are proceeding entirely separately from Mini-Holland. In particular, the Fox Lane area within those proposals could provide at least part of the parallel route. While we call into question the rationale for the additional schemes during a time of cuts to essential public services, it seems entirely illogical to consider additional road works in isolation. Furthermore, the Council is not consulting on these proposals, other than in the areas proposed for treatment. Given the recent High Court judgment against the Council, this does not seem like a reasonable course of action. A survey, “Why did the chicken cross the road?”, has been issued in the proposed areas4.

28.    Recommendation 9: Enfield Council should wait until Mini-Holland proposals are finalised before consulting on Quieter Neighbourhoods. Any consultation should give outline costs and an indication of which services will be cut to pay for the schemes.


29. Parking is a major concern for shop owners in Green Lanes. Parking is particularly important for those operating takeaway food businesses or similar pick-up/drop-off businesses (e.g. dry cleaners, bakeries). Many shoppers currently come to Palmers Green by car, on the off chance that they may find parking on Green Lanes. If they do not, they may park elsewhere and still visit local shops. As highlighted by one of the shop owners on your tour, if car drivers have a perception that there is no parking, they may not visit at all.

30.    We note the East Village Shoppers Study, which Enfield Council considers analogous to the Palmers Green setting5. This analogy is completely flawed. Palmers Green is not a trendy district of New York. Furthermore, the study methodology used a very arbitrary method of banding spend data. That data was then arbitrarily weighted, depending on whether the shopper lived locally or was employed locally. Although Enfield Council can argue that cyclists in the East Village were the highest spenders per head (despite the methodology limitations mentioned), this argument is irrational. Even if this were true in Palmers Green, cyclists would be far outnumbered by shoppers arriving by other means. Many pedestrians spending a little would generate much more revenue than very few cyclists spending a lot. The findings of the East Village study are useful background but are nothing more. Enfield Council is not acting properly in advancing that as some sort of evidence that shopping in Palmers Green will be boosted by the scheme. The reality is that nobody really knows because there is presently not enough data on this specific setting.

31.    Although completely unannounced, we welcome the shopping and travel survey. However, we have some reservations about the current approach. Pilot interview questionnaires have been distributed to some shops. It is not clear how these shops have been selected. The layout of the form shows that it is designed to be filled in by the interviewer but, to date, these have been left with whoever is on the premises and collected a short time later. Many of the shop owners do not have English as a first language and may be confused by some of the questions. One of the last questions (see Q25, attached) asks whether the interviewee was pushing or carrying something. It is entirely feasible that some businesses may not be carrying or pushing anything at that moment but if they bring stock to the shop or do deliveries, then that surely requires them to have access to a vehicle. However, this is not an option on the form.

32.    Recommendation 10: Enfield Council should publish its shopping survey methodology. The Council and its survey providers should consult with local groups on what they consider to be important factors for their business to succeed (such as access for deliveries).

33.    In 2011, the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister commissioned Mary Portas to conduct an independent review into the state of our high streets and town centres .6 One of the key recommendations of the Review was6:

The Portas Review: An independent review into the future of our high streets, December 2011 “Local areas should implement free controlled parking schemes that work for their town centres and we should have a new parking league table.”

34. On 17 October 2014, Enfield Council announced a pilot of free parking in town centres, although the trial is limited to 2 or 3 spaces in each town centre7. However, Palmers Green is conspicuously absent from the trial.

35.    Recommendation 11: Palmers Green should be included in the trial of free, short-term, on-street parking.

36.    You were also able to visit the Lodge Drive car park. As you saw for yourself, this car park is poorly signposted and has limited opening times. This harms the night-time economy. The poor lighting along the path at the back of the car park, where there was a relatively recent bad assault, is also very damaging to the perception of safety in and around the car park. Although there is CCTV, it is still an isolated location.

37.    Recommendation 12: Enfield Council should review Lodge Drive car park opening times and should improve lighting along the footpath adjoining the St Anne’s site.

Business case and value for money

38.    The proposed scheme has a total budget of £40.916 million, with the majority of that budget coming from Transport for London. It is therefore imperative that value for money is maximised for all road users, not just the minority who are cyclists. Enfield Council’s Mini- Holland Bid document contains a benefit/cost ratio of 2.95.8 It is unclear how the underlying assumptions for this figure have been obtained. One of the key assumptions is that the 0.9% of work trips currently undertaken by cycles will be 6.3% in 2025. Transport for London itself recognises that “cycling is a minority mode [and hence is] prone to high forecasting error and low levels of confidence”9.

39.    Recommendation 13: Enfield Council should disclose its full methodology and workings for assumptions underpinning the Mini-Holland business case, including those that have been used as inputs to the World Health Organization Health Economic Assessment model (WHO HEAT).

Next steps

40.    As a courtesy, I am copying this letter to individuals and organisations mentioned herein, as well as other interested parties.

41.    I would like to thank you again for your visit and look forward to your response.

42.    I look forward to welcoming you to Green Lanes again. Our Association wishes you well for a restful Christmas and New Year period.

For and on behalf of the Members and Committee of GLBA

Costas Georgiou

Distribution list
Jessica Ellery    Borough Cycling Programme Manager    Transport for London
Liam Mulrooney    Group Leader Traffic, Road Safety & Parking    Enfield Council
Cllr Doug Taylor    Leader of the Council    Enfield Council
Cllr Chris Bond    Cabinet Member, Environment & Community Safety    Enfield Council
Cllr Ayfer Orhan    Cabinet Member, Education, Children's Services & Protection    Enfield Council
Cllr Bambos Charalambous    Associate Cabinet Member, Enfield West    Enfield Council
Cllr Terry Neville    Leader of the Opposition    Enfield Council
Cllr Joanne Laban    Deputy Leader of the Opposition    Enfield Council
Joanna McCartney AM    London Assembly Member for Enfield & Haringey    G LA
Caroline Pidgeon AM    Chair, Transport Committee    G LA
Dale Langford    Principal Committee Manager (Transport)    G LA
David Burrowes MP    Member for Enfield Southgate    House of Commons
Nick de Bois MP    Member for Enfield North    House of Commons
Andy Love MP    Member for Edmonton    House of Commons
Penny Mordaunt MP    Parliamentary Under-Secretary    DCLG (High Streets)
Robert Goodwill MP    Parliamentary Under-Secretary    DfT (Cycling)
Olly Prigmore    Enfield Business and Retailers Association    
Mark Leaver    Enfield Business and Retailers Association    
Huw Jones    North London Chamber of Commerce    
Robert Taylor    Federation of Enfield Residents’ and Allied Associations    
Helen Osman    N21 Live Local Spend Local    
Yvonne Quigley    Ruth Winston Centre    
Teresa and David Colman    The Only Place for Pictures    
    Hazelwood Primary School    
    Highfield Primary School    
    Grange Park Preparatory School    
    St.Paul’s C of E Primary School    
    Broomfield School    
    St. Anne’s Catholic High School for Girls    
    Palmers Green High School    
    Winchmore School    
    Edmonton County Lower School    
    Enfield Grammar    
    Chace Community School 


1. Regas, R (On the Application Of) v London Borough of Enfield [2014] EWHC 4173 (Admin) (11 December 2014)
2.  Enfield Council, Minutes of the meeting of the Cabinet held on Wednesday, 17 September 2014 (para 5, page 8)
3. ITV News, Pollution warning for cyclists, 17 January 2014l.
4. Quieter Neigbourhoods – Fox Lane area, Enfield Council
5. East Village Shoppers Study, Transportation Alternatives, 2012
6. The Portas Review: An independent review into the future of our high streets, December 2011
7. Free parking pilot scheme launched, Enfield Council press release, 17 October 2014
8. Enfield Council, Mini-Holland Enfield Bid Report, December 2013 (page 21)
9 Transport for London, presentation on Modelling Cycling in London, Ali Inayathusein & Yaron Hollander, 22 January 2013 (slide 9)


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Posted: 12 Jan 2015 14:09 by Karl Brown #783
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This is interesting, even if at times going beyond a Mini Holland brief and straying into areas of other self-interest.

The absence of both local Residents Associations (FLDRA and BHORA) with their many hundreds of household members in the extensive list of interested parties is somewhat surprising. Were these the same residents and community groups referred to in paragraph 1 I wonder, and if not, why on earth not.

But most striking is the crystallisation of a seemingly increasingly common assertion about consultation; effectively a growing view across many areas which seems to be that if consultation does not reflect “my” view then it hasn’t really been undertaken, or effectively undertaken or properly undertaken, the consulter “isn’t listening” or such waffle.

Decisions are inevitably a balance of most-often conflicting opinion, data, policy and other factors. Often politicians are elected to make the final call, frequently subject to Public Hearing, Judicial oversight, and perhaps subject to an ultimate re-election challenge. They will not please everyone; what is crucial is a fair, balanced assessment of all the facts from all stakeholders, consultees and other sources of data and an explanation of the route to reach the end point. Almost uniquely, perhaps with the exception of Save Chase Farm, we have seen local elections tackle the Mini Holland subject at an early stage. That can only provide very useful data from a large, relevant, stakeholder group.

Where decisions can run into trouble is in giving too much weight to the shouty: a decision, by Liam Mulrooney it seems, has now been made to retain the triangular tarmac section of the Triangle space. Good, or maybe not so good. Much will depend on whatever scheme is ultimately determined to be the appropriate after all this current angst and what that in turn means for the Triangle architectural space itself. The final scheme may align or it may contradict, or maybe there will be no final scheme at all. But retaining the tarmac come what may has been the subject of a voracious shouty campaign by individuals and groups.

Where did that approach fit with consultation and the present day shouty views of some on Consultation I’m left to wonder.

And balance is a tricky thing. Consider as one example the comment on the importance of parking for transient purchasers of fast food. Accepted, and clearly a positive for these transient drivers as well as the shop owners and associated property landlords who can be expected to be in favour of the status quo. Yet I recall many local residents publically expressing total dismay at the introduction of fast food outlets into Palmers Green centre not so many years back and the numerous downsides that would bring in their eyes. It’s quite possible many may now “shop” elsewhere and as a result detrimental to the local economy, high street and other retailers. In overall local business case terms their shopping loss is possibly greater than the equivalent gain from fast food sales. Who is assessing such a bigger picture for the total population of shopkeepers and where does that stand against them being only one of a myriad of users of the same public realm? Not an easy call, and as the apparently “perfect” financial markets just down the road taught us, things can affect others than those making their optimum personal decision.

Free parking, why not? I suppose one argument is that with the Palmers Green Town Centre section of Green Lanes already almost constantly full with paying drivers then the economic case to generate vacant spaces would be to achieve market clearing levels on price, ie increase the parking fees. That’s economics. The alternate, economic, viewpoint would be to conclude that if the spaces are so valuable to shopkeepers then they – in an exactly similar way to supermarkets have decided to fund their own car park spaces – could be expected to subsidise them. But that’s logic, so often missing from such considerations when blind emotion can mist the eyes and positions become emotionally entrenched.

In the interests of transparency, such as is highlighted as a positive in the letter, it would be useful to see a listing of Green Lanes based GLBA members. For instance, is it one or one hundred? Does it include any of the National retailers?
Posted: 12 Jan 2015 16:36 by Colin Younger #786
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The Triangle - the debate continues...

Karl Brown writes:-

Where decisions can run into trouble is in giving too much weight to the shouty: a decision, by Liam Mulrooney it seems, has now been made to retain the triangular tarmac section of the Triangle space. Good, or maybe not so good. Much will depend on whatever scheme is ultimately determined to be the appropriate after all this current angst and what that in turn means for the Triangle architectural space itself. The final scheme may align or it may contradict, or maybe there will be no final scheme at all. But retaining the tarmac come what may has been the subject of a voracious shouty campaign by individuals and groups.

Where did that approach fit with consultation and the present day shouty views of some on Consultation I’m left to wonder.

The question to what legitimacy this has is perhaps answered by the outcome of last year’s public consultation about the future of Palmers Green! There follows extracts from the original PGC posting relevant to the consultation and the Triangle itself. And to be clear, what Karl dismisses as “the triangular tarmac section of the Triangle architectural space” is, I am sure, what people care about.

[PGC introduction]

In March 2014 Enfield Council carried out a public consultation, using a vehicle parked in Green Lanes, with the aim of discovering what residents of Palmers Green thought about the town centre and what improvements they would like to see to the "public realm".

A hundred people attended the consultation sessions, filling in a questionnaire, annotating a map and using a "Planning for Real" model of Palmers Green town centre to focus their thoughts.
A report based on the consultation exercise was expected to be published by Summer 2014, but to date this has not happened. However, in August Basil Clark submitted a Freedom of Information request with the aim of finding out why the report had been delayed and what the survey had revealed.

[Some extracts on the Triangle from the draft report]

Palmers Green Triangle is also seen as a key historical location that needs to be protected and improved to remain a high quality landmark for the area, for example through new public artwork. "We love the Triangle, its sense of history and community - it is a focal point in the area.

Many residents suggested that this would be an ideal spot to create identity for the area and to form 'a focal point for people rather than traffic'. It was felt that this could partly be achieved through the new clock tower but many also felt that public art would be appropriate. It was suggested that more greenery needs to be introduced on the Triangle to replace the removed tree – this does not necessarily need to be a replacement tree, but could be raised planters or other planting areas.

From my reading of other FOI released correspondence, a halt was called to work on the Triangle because of uncertainty about its impact on mini-holland. Now that public consultation has apparently secured the Triangle's future, can we now look forward to some of the improvements requested (and previously planned) using mini-holland "environmental" funding that we were told was included?
Posted: 13 Jan 2015 07:58 by Karl Brown #789
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…” is, I am sure, what people care about.” Well maybe, or maybe not; there’s always the real risk associated with making assumptions about what people think. Readers can check elsewhere on the web site the actual source documents and take a view as well as the support for the (unpublished) “ .. We love the Triangle..”. Of course that area, as heart of this community is important and should be reflective of that role.

What we both know is that before and after the data gathering exercise that there was intense lobbying and pressure on the Council to secure the status quo for the triangle tarmac before Mini Holland possibly generated any alternate options.
It might be enlightening to understand what, if any, other structural / planning related decisions were taken a as result of the same data gathering exercise, and under what process. My suspicion, admittedly unproven, would be zero. And that would be unusual.

My point, again, that there are numerous stakeholders, possibly several options available based on their collective input plus planner’s skills and always a process with a beginning and an end. In this particular case, fixing the end before the beginning may, just may, not be the optimal solution for every party involved. Hence the need for openness and balance. And then of course, on the one hand, to contemplate legally challenging a consultation which may not go in your chosen direction raises issues of what’s OK for my favourite goose, may not be OK for that unpleasant looking gander. Consultation is not a pick and mix, or as I said, shouldn’t be determined by the shoutiest.

Simply let everyone have a voice, openly, and then act on all the data. That’s all.

Fancy learning a brass instrument and playing in a band?

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Maybe you used to play a brass instrument at school and would like to return to playing or have never played anything and would like to learn to play? Here's your opportunity! 

London Metropolitan Brass set up a beginners band a year ago and since then have taught over 40 people to play, free-of-charge.  We are very active within the local community, having played over recent weeks in East Finchley, Crouch End and Bounds Green Bowls Club.

If you'd like to come down and join in the fun, we rehearse at CUFOS (near the Ally Pally) on Wednesday nights 7-10pm.  Led by a dedicated group of experienced brass players, we offer one-to-one and small group coaching before getting together to play some simple music. We'll have you up to speed in no time! Instruments are available to borrow, including Cornet (Trumpet), Tenor Horn, Baritone Horn, Trombone, Euphonium and Tuba. 

We're running this free of charge so there's no excuse not to come and have a go! If you're tempted and you fancy learning a new skill, having fun and meeting new friends please get in touch (either at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or on 07588868600)! It is never too late to learn to play a musical instrument!

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Diversion of W9 bus during Hoppers Road water main works

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Starting on 12th January Thames Water will be replacing old lead water pipes connecting to properties in Hoppers Road.  The work is expected to take until 23rd February.

During this period (12th January to 23rd February) the W9 bus will be diverted away from Hoppers Road.  The diversion between Winchmore Hill Green and Bourne Hill will be via Wades Hill, Green Dragon Lane and Green Lanes. This means that both Chase Farm-Southgate and Southgate-Chase Farm buses will run along Wades Hill twice (once in each direction).  Passengers boarding buses in Wades Hill will therefore need to check that the bus is going in the direction they require.

The official routings are as follows:

  • Route W9 towards Southgate Station - From Green Dragon Lane at the junction with Wades Hill, right Wades Hill, ahead Wades Hill, circumnavigate the roundabout at the junction with Church Hill and The Green to return into Wades Hill, right Green Dragon Lane, right Green Lanes, right Bourne Hill, ahead to line of route.
  • Route W9 towards Chase Farm Hospital - From Bourne Hill at the junction with Hoppers Road, ahead Bourne Hill, left Green Lanes, left Green Dragon Lane, left Wades Hill, ahead Wades Hill, circumnavigate the roundabout at the junction with Church Hill and the Green to return into Wades Hill, ahead Wades Hill, left Green Dragon lane to line of route.

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Route W9 towards Southgate Station - From Green Dragon Lane at the junction with Wades Hill, right Wades Hill, ahead Wades Hill, circumnavigate the roundabout at the junction with Church Hill and The Green to return into Wades Hill, right Green Dragon Lane, right Green Lanes, right Bourne Hill, ahead to line of route

Route W9 towards Chase Farm Hospital - From Bourne Hill at the junction with Hoppers Road, ahead Bourne Hill, left Green Lanes, left Green Dragon Lane, left Wades Hill, ahead Wades Hill, circumnavigate the roundabout at the junction with Church Hill and the Green to return into Wades Hill, ahead Wades Hill, left Green Dragon lane to line of route

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